i love that story. >> we have the technology. we have the entrepreneurs. we just don't have the political will to do anything with it because we've got the koch brothers and exxon and everybody else in the way. >> we also have a reflexive ideological resistance to government playing a big role. i actually talked to mitt romney's policy director a few weeks before the election. i asked him, you know, what do you think government can do to make coal cleaner, carbon capturing sequestration by doesn't exist on a usable scale. he said i don't think government should play a role at all. there you go. there's the barrier. >> government should play no role except tonight provide massive subsidies to the fossil fuel industry decade after decade. >> can the subsidy for cleaner coal. >> this is where the tax extenders issue which i think it brings us nicely full circle because we started out talking about the fiscal curve. the issue has gotten very much lost, right, when you stack up the issues it's down at the bottom. whether you pass all the taxes or not defines th